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Message: 11076

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:14:23

Subject: Re: Paul's nifty fifty

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx Herman Miller <hmiller@I...> 
wrote:
> Paul Erlich wrote:
> 
> >>>>[3, 12, -1, 12, -10, -36] supermajor seconds
> >>>
> >>>Anyone have another suggestion?
> >>
> >>Trimeantone? (3 generators = a meantone fifth)
> >>Or just plain supermajor?
> > 
> > 
> > If you ignore the 5 axis, this temperament has been referred to 
> > as "wonder" and "slendric" -- correct?
> 
> For some reason I have <<3, 17, -1, 20, -10, -50]] listed 
as "Slendric / 
> Wonder". But actually <<3, 7, -1, 4, -10, -22]] might be a better 
fit 
> for the description on Catalogue of linear temperaments *. Any 
of 
> these could be "slendric" or "wonder" (it might be useful to assign 
each 
> of these names to a different temperament).

But both names apply to a system where there is no prime 5.

Hola from Espaņa.


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Message: 11077

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:16:04

Subject: Re: Paul's nifty fifty

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> 
wrote:
> --- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx Herman Miller <hmiller@I...> 
wrote:
> > Paul Erlich wrote:
> > 
> > >>>>[3, 12, -1, 12, -10, -36] supermajor seconds
> > >>>
> > >>>Anyone have another suggestion?
> > >>
> > >>Trimeantone? (3 generators = a meantone fifth)
> > >>Or just plain supermajor?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you ignore the 5 axis, this temperament has been referred to 
> > > as "wonder" and "slendric" -- correct?
> > 
> > For some reason I have <<3, 17, -1, 20, -10, -50]] listed as
> "Slendric / 
> > Wonder". But actually <<3, 7, -1, 4, -10, -22]] might be a better 
fit 
> > for the description on Catalogue of linear temperaments *. 
Any of 
> > these could be "slendric" or "wonder" (it might be useful to 
assign
> each 
> > of these names to a different temperament).
> 
> I'd advise keeping the name "wonder" for <<3 17 -1 20 -10 -50||. 
This
> is clearly much more consistent with what Margo had in mind as a 
> {2,3,7} linear temperament using 1029/1024. Margo is not much of a 
fan
> of flat fifths, for starters, and the tunings are consistent. 
Graham's
> site seems to be unavailable at the moment, but I have no objections
> to "slendric" in place of "supermajor seconds", an ugly name even 
if I
> am responsible for it.

Unfortunately, if prime 5 is in there, this is even less like slendro 
than "pelogic" is like pelog.




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Message: 11084

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:49:25

Subject: Re: File missing

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Paul G Hjelmstad" 
<paul.hjelmstad@m...> wrote:
> All,
> 
> Does anyone know what happened to the nifty file listing all the 
> commas? (Including "Atom of Kirkenburger")?
> 
> Paul

Hi Paul,

I think it's still fine:
Yahoo! - *
method=reportRows&tbl=10&sortBy=3

-the other paul


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Message: 11085

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:13:53

Subject: Re: Paul's nifty fifty

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> 
wrote:
> Here is what I am suggesting for names for Paul's list of 50
> temperaments. Septischismic in place of schismic, augie in the place
> of augmented, and erethezontic in the place of biporky have been
> discussed. Minorsemi from the approximate 21/20 generator, and
> duodecal because like waage it's got 12 on the brain.
> 
> In the 5-limit, the names minorsemi and tertiatonic come from the
> discussion of 12-note 5-limit Fokker blocks around tuning-math 8300 
to
> 8400. Superpythagorean corresponds to the 7-limit name, and 
corrects a
> typo for the comma.
> 

> [6, 5, 3, -6, -12, -7] kleismic
> [10, 9, 7, -9, -17, -9] nonkleismic

I'm very unenthusiastic about these names.


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Message: 11087

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:42:25

Subject: Re: Paul's nifty fifty

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> 
wrote:
> --- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Paul Erlich" <perlich@a...> 
wrote:
> 
> > > [6, 5, 3, -6, -12, -7] kleismic
> > > [10, 9, 7, -9, -17, -9] nonkleismic
> > 
> > I'm very unenthusiastic about these names.
> 
> How about some alternatives?

The field of drosophila genetics makes use, in addition to porcupine 
and hedgehog, of the terms armadillo and pangolin. Perhaps these 
could be called into service?


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Message: 11091

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:55:28

Subject: Re: Paul's nifty fifty

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> 
wrote:
> --- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Paul Erlich" <perlich@a...> 
wrote:
> > --- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" 
<gwsmith@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Paul Erlich" 
<perlich@a...> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > [6, 5, 3, -6, -12, -7] kleismic
> > > > > [10, 9, 7, -9, -17, -9] nonkleismic
> > > > 
> > > > I'm very unenthusiastic about these names.
> > > 
> > > How about some alternatives?
> > 
> > The field of drosophila genetics makes use, in addition to 
porcupine 
> > and hedgehog, of the terms armadillo and pangolin. Perhaps these 
> > could be called into service?
> 
> I've heard they give weird names to friutfly genes, such as
> "fruitless" for the gene which makes male fruitflies gay (and no, I 
am
> not making that up.) Are these examples? 

Yes.

> How about "armadillo" in place of "kleismic", and "pangolin" in 
place
> of "nonkleismic"?

Fine. Anyone have a problem with this? Only a few days left.


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Message: 11093

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:41:53

Subject: Re: The Keyboard Temperament of J. S. Bach

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Charles" <Francis@d...> wrote:
> For those interested in this topic, new findings are available at:
> J.S. Bach Tuning *
> 
> 
> Regards
> Charles

I find these conclusions insupportable. That C-A would be a 
Pythagorean major sixth (27:16), while A-F# would be just (5:3) or 
near-just major sixths, goes against the key-gradation pattern that 
all well-temperaments of the time exhibit. C-A and G-E are the major 
sixths closest to just (or very nearly so) in all of them, since they 
occur most frequently in the keys with the fewest accidentals in 
their key signatures.

But this topic is better for the tuning list, not this list.


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Message: 11094

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:57:16

Subject: Re: Paul's nifty fifty

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> 
wrote:

> [1, -8, -14, -15, -25, -10] septischismic?

Continuing on our kick of naming after people, I might call this 
Garibaldi, since Eduardo Sabat-Garibaldi gave names to 5120/5103 
("Beta 5") and 33554432/33480783 ("Beta 2") in his study which 
yielded the 1/9-schisma, pure-octave version of this temperament. 
4000/3969, though, may have escaped his attention (at least Manuel 
doesn't list any other "Beta"s, or any name for 4000/3969 at all).

> 32805/32768 schismic

And this would be Helmholtz (I've seen it referred to as Helmholtzian 
temperament in the past, though of course it's Groven's too).


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