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Message: 11152

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:47:12

Subject: Re: Paul's nifty fifty

From: Dave Keenan

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> 
wrote:
> --- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Dave Keenan" <d.keenan@b...> 
wrote:
> 
> > So, like I said, call one "simple kleismic" and the 
other "complex 
> > kleismic", or even "simple-7 kleismic" and "complex-7 kleismic".
> 
> So would "dominant sevenths" become "simple meantone" and 
(septimal)
> meantone become "complex meantone"?
> 
> > It doesn't make sense to have a completely unrelated name for 
the 
> > same temperament at a higher limit.
> 
> That's what I'm trying to avoid, by giving the name (as in the 
case of
> meantone) to the one keeping the tuning, rather than the least 
complex
> (which would be dominant sevenths in this case.)

You have a good point there. No I wouldn't call "dominant sevenths" 
any kind of meantone since I don't consider anything with fifths 
wider than those of 12-ET to be meantone. But I note that "simple-7 
kleismic" does far less violence to the 5-limit ratios of the parent 
5-limit temperament than does "dominant sevenths".

Your proposed system does have a precedent in the naming of rivers 
where, as you work your way up-river and you come to forks, the 
widest one gets to keep the name and the other is referred to as a 
tributary. But sometimes it's a tough call. What would correspond to 
tributary wideness here? Shouldn't it be some kind of badness 
measure (combining error and complexity, rather than just error as 
you and Paul seem to be proposing)?

You know me. I like systems. And since you're proposing a system 
here, I'll be happy. Meyers-Briggs personality type INTP = "the 
architect". :-)

When there is no system to the naming, the name just becomes one 
more thing you have to memorise (or look up every time), rather than 
an aid to memory.


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Message: 11161

Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:55:53

Subject: Re: The 50/49 and 22 mob

From: Paul Erlich

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...> 
wrote:
> The TOP tunings of pajara, Number 43, and the fifth and eigth
> temperaments listed are the same for 2, 5, and 7. The NOT tunings of
> doublewide, Number 43, and the seventh and ninth listed are also the
> same for 2, 5, and 7.
> 
> 
> 1. pajara 
> [2, -4, -4, -11, -12, 2] [[2, 3, 5, 6], [0, 1, -2, -2]]
> 6 3.106578 111.836820
> 
> 2. doublewide
> [8, 6, 6, -9, -13, -3] [[2, 5, 6, 7], [0, -4, -3, -3]]
> 8 3.268439 209.180089
> 
> 3. "Number 43"
> [6, 10, 10, 2, -1, -5] [[2, 4, 6, 7], [0, -3, -5, -5]]
> 10 3.106578 310.657834

We've been calling the latter "hedgehog".

-the absent one


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Message: 11164

Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:20:46

Subject: Gene's mail server

From: Paul Erlich

Hi Gene,

Your mail server rejected my e-mail response to you as "probable 
SPAM".

Assuming you disagree with your server's assessment, let me know how 
I should proceed.

-Paul


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Message: 11167

Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:12:57

Subject: my paper nears completion

From: Paul Erlich

I'd appreciate any comments or corrections . . . note that it's 
incomplete, and the 46 horagrams are not included -- 

Yahoo groups: /tuning/files/perlich/coyotepaper1.doc *


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Message: 11173

Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 06:09:55

Subject: Re: my paper nears completion

From: Paul Erlich

Thanks, Dante . . .

Well, each temperament will be represented by a nice horagram 
(floragrams not ready in time, unfortunately). Other than that, we'll 
see if there's room and time for more individualized 
discussions . . . 

--- In tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx "Dante Rosati" <dante@i...> wrote:
> Wow, Paul, its looking great! Very clearly laid out and developed. 
Is there
> going to be any discussion of the various temperaments at the end, 
their
> characteristics & quirks? Or would that be for another different 
paper?
> 
> Dante
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Erlich [mailto:perlich@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:13 PM
> > To: tuning-math@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
> > Subject: [tuning-math] my paper nears completion
> >
> >
> > I'd appreciate any comments or corrections . . . note that it's
> > incomplete, and the 46 horagrams are not included --
> >
> > 
Yahoo groups: /tuning/files/perlich/coyotepaper1.doc *


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